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Gallery's and filenames in translation[edit]

I was just going through Commons:Threshold of originality and did some tweaks. It appears that the entire gallery is wrapped in translate tags when it should be just the captions. If someone gets sometime, do help taking care of this. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 16:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This also appears with some wikitables and Charts used on the page. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 16:15, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pols12, do you happen to have some time to help with this? I did some tweaks a while ago and removed some unwarranted stuff out of translation. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 07:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry The Aafī, tweaking this page segmentation would require to also quickly update translation pages. I haven’t enough time to proceed, especially since I’m not a Tadmin on Commons and since Italian translation is not up-to-date. -- Pols12 (talk) 14:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAafi and Pols12: The pages Commons:Threshold of originality/be-tarask, Commons:Threshold of originality/id, and Commons:Threshold of originality/pt-br, are also broken somehow. They are at Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. --Jarekt (talk) 13:19, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jarekt: Thanks for the report. I will take care of fixing some errors that are caused by the translation markup updates. ─ Aafī (talk) 13:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s probably because of massive use of {{Pg}}. Though, I don’t understand why not all translations are affected. Maybe because of some heavier or lighter fallbacks. -- Pols12 (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lua errors and template loops on translated pages[edit]

The following translated pages have some lua errors (Category:Pages with script errors), template loops (Category:Pages with template loops) or some other template issues (Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls). It seems like the english versions of the same pages don't have the same issue. Can someone compare the translations to the originals and fix the template calls in translations, or even better keep text to translate separate from template calls.

Jarekt (talk) 13:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On some pages, I don't see any translations that need to be updated. There's nothing at Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag/ar that I could see. Similarly, on Commons:Copyright tags/General public domain/ar, there is only one paragraph translated. Rest is everything from the English version. Perhaps our template masters and expert TAs would be able to detect where this is coming from. @Ameisenigel and @Tacsipacsi: do you apparently see any problem? ─ Aafī (talk) 14:07, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is indeed not a new one. We have had a similar discussion quite some time ago ([1]). Unfortunately I do not know the solution for these problems. --Ameisenigel (talk) 14:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAafi and Ameisenigel: I was just looking at Commons:Copyright tags/General public domain/ar. I think the issue is trigered by use of {{Pg}} in page name translation of Commons:Reuse_of_PD-Art_photographs/ar. How do we fix it? --Jarekt (talk) 04:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the page name translation and it doesn't help. One of the reasons that might be causing this error is keeping too much codes and stuff inside translation markup. However, this requires a lot of manual working. ─ Aafī (talk) 05:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheAafi: That fixed the issue on Commons:Copyright tags/General public domain/ar and Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag/ar pages. Thanks. --Jarekt (talk) 18:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ve modified Module:Pg to handle errors instead of preventing them – this made the expensive parser function count on Commons:Threshold of originality/pt-br to go down from 501 to 498, bringing it just under the limit (and at the same time decreased the number of database rows, which is good for phab:T343131). The other two COM:TOO translations seem to have been fixed in the meantime (before my edit to Module:Pg).

Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Consolidated list South America/mk is simply too big, I don’t think we can do much about it – except for asking someone to finish the translation, as the lot of <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> markup increases the page size considerably (a plus of about 21-22 kiB if I count correctly, or ~1% of the include size limit of 2 MiB). —Tacsipacsi (talk) 19:40, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tacsipacsi, I guess Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Consolidated list South America is just too big and might need to be split into smaller regions. @Aymatth2: , as a creator of this page. Do you think we can split it into East/West or North/South, or into some other logical groupings. File:South America Color-coded Regions.png seems to show regions but without names. --Jarekt (talk) 14:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can take a shot at splitting it up along the boundaries of File:South America Color-coded Regions.png, which I would call Southern Cone, Western, the Guianas and Brazil (which does not need an entry). But I will ask for some help in sorting out the translations. My skills are getting very rusty. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I suppose there is not much to translate, and no big hurry. I doubt that these overview pages are viewed very much. They were mainly made to ease the transition from one huge page with all the copyright rules to pages for each country or territory. Aymatth2 (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A handful of File: namespace timed text translations still exist[edit]

Does anyone here have experience with migrating timed text to its new namespace and can do so for the pages listed below? I have noticed that just a handful of these pages keep showing up on some maintenance pages I frequent (Special:UncategorizedPages and Special:UncategorizedFiles).

The pages are:

File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt (en, es, eu, fi, fr, id, ja, pl, sco, sv, uk, zh)
File:Wikipedia on GLAM-Tour Kulturkooperationen für lokale Wikipedia-Gruppen.webm/srt (ar, arz, da, de, en, en-gb, fr, ru, uk)

Clay (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s not about how new the namespace is (notice that TimedText:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm.en.srt was created three days before File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt), it’s about how easy translating the subtitle is. Ideally, TimedText was integrated with Extension:Translate to allow translating the closed captions in the right namespace (which wasn’t unprecedented, e.g. CentralNotice is integrated to allow translating central notices), but we’re (AFAIK) not there yet. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your reply. Does that mean these pages are now fine to delete? Or does someone need to look through them and migrate them from the File namespace to the TimedText namespace manually? I see on e.g. File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt/de and other similar now-deleted pages that most of these were deleted at the end of last year. Clay (talk) 18:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ideally, phab:T44495 would be resolved before deleting anything. However, given that there was zero progress in the past almost seven years, it seems unlikely to be resolved in the near future. In that case, I’m not sure what the best solution is. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As one can see on File:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm/srt/de, it was deleted after having been transferred to TimedText:The GLAM-Wiki Revolution.webm.de.srt. Translations like File:.../srt/.. have been a good idea but they are completely useless for the videos they are connected with. --Achim55 (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, didn't notice this topic earlier. Months ago I created User:Achim55/TimedText pages to be checked and since then I'm working on that step by step. --Achim55 (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]