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MediaWiki message delivery 19:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning Aristeas.[edit]

Sorry to bother you, but my recently promoted photo File:Vrucht van een paardenkastanje (Aesculus) 01-03-2024 (d.j.b.).jpg is not listed among the featured images on the main page. I don't know where to report this, but I think you are dealing with this. Maybe you know the solution. Thank you for the effort in advance. Yours sincerely,--Famberhorst (talk) 05:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Famberhorst, sorry for the long delay. Somehow the bot has forgotten to add this image. This happens from time to time. I was searching for a reason (hence the delay), but did not find one. Therefore I have manually added your photo to the page.
@W.carter: Dear Cart, I remember you had some insights on the question why the bot sometimes forgets to update the most recent FPs listed on the frontpage list. Have you any idea what could be improved (again)? (Only if you have time, of course.)
Best greetings to both of you, – Aristeas (talk) 18:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Aristeas and Famberhorst. This time it was a combination of Bot-malfunction and human error. A few days ago the FPCBot stopped working for some reason. See the discussion on Commons talk:Featured picture candidates#Bot down?. While KTC searched for a way to get the Bot working again, Poco a poco was kind enough to take care of all the things the Bot usually do. Unfortunately he missed that the new FPs should also be added to the Commons:Featured pictures, list in order to be displayed on the FP main page. I see now that some more FPs have not appeared there, and I'll see to it that they get displayed there too.
The Bot is now working again, so the order on the FP page will not be perfect, but better late than never. ;-) --Cart (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thank you so much, Cart! I do not know why I did not understand this myself … My program also tells me that because of the bot failure several recently promoted FPs are not yet listed in the gallery pages:
I will manually add these photos to the respective gallery pages tomorrow or so. Best, --Aristeas (talk) 19:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those are the same that should have been added to the COM:FP page too. I guess Poco forgot the galleries too. I see now that the order of the Commons:Featured pictures/chronological/March 2024 looks a bit messy too due to this. I'll see what I can do to fix that. Glad if you can fix the gallery pages tomorrow though. Best, --Cart (talk) 19:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems I was a bit hasty saying Poco had done all the Bot's work. The noms were not added to the Commons:Featured picture candidates/Log/March 2024 either. Now fixed. --Cart (talk) 20:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Glup, sorry for that, Aristeas and Cart. I indeed forgot those 2 steps. Please, let me know if there something left to do. I'll clean the mess. Poco a poco (talk) 21:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@W.carter and Poco a poco: Thank you very much, Cart, for amending the log. ✓ Done I have added the images to the FP gallery pages; therefore I think everything is complete now – my program does not flag any errors. Poco a Poco, no problem, it’s really easy to miss some of the steps in the complicated FP promotion procedure. We have to thank you that you started with the manual procedure when the bot was out of service. However it’s very good that we noticed the missing parts early because it is so easy to forget especially the hidden pieces – the chronological list and the log. They are nevertheless very important; e.g. my program uses these data in order to check the validity/authenticity of FPs, to search for “lost” FPs etc. Thank you both, --Aristeas (talk) 09:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just a reminder: If When this happens again, there is a checklist at the bottom of the nom page COM:FPC#Closing a featured picture promotion request about all the steps of doing this manually. --Cart (talk) 09:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Loves Folklore - Deutschland[edit]

Hallo Aristeas, da wir überwiegend in de.wp den Wettbewerb de:Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Folklore 2024/Deutschland beworben haben und du vor allem auf commons aktiv bist, sprech ich dich und einige andere Commons-Fotografen persönlich an :-)

Vielleicht hast du noch einige tolle Aufnahmen für Wiki Loves Folklore Deutschland. Bis Ende März können diese hochgeladen werden. Und lass dich nicht vom Begriff "Folklore" abschrecken. Der Begriff ist weiter gedacht, als man denkt: Feste, Essen, Bräuche und Spiele gehören auch dazu. Viele Grüße Z thomas 06:24, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quality Image Promotion[edit]
Your image has been reviewed and promoted

Congratulations! Part of a bookshelf containing books by ancient philosophers (1.1).jpg, which was produced by you, was reviewed and has now been promoted to Quality Image status.

If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Quality images candidates.

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 Support Good quality. --Ermell 19:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

--QICbot (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ask for your opinion on a recent reworking of mine (San Marino).[edit]

Hi Aristeas, how are you? I remember with pleasure your beautiful words about one of my recent photographic works in San Marino: File:Fortress of Guaita on Titan mount - San Marino.jpg I managed to do better, but I believe that the image is too big. I wonder if in these cases it is appropriate to opt for a downscale, even if this option is not seen well by Wikimedians. I look forward to your kind answer without haste... Consider that it took me almost a month to fix all the stitch errors of the images, so, I can waitː File:Guaita_Fortress_-_San_Marino_-_2024_02_13_-_GT_01.jpg Terragio67 (talk) 22:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Terragio67, thank you very much for your greetings! I have compared both panoramas. I liked the light and the left crop of the older version even better, but the resolution of the new version is incredible, congrats! Both are extremely valuable images; thank you very much for your work!
Now to your question, I am torn here. Traditionally people often downscaled such huge panoramas, so that seems feasible, yes. But personally I always prefer the full resolution and my computer displays it without any problems ;–). But other computers may have problems, therefore I have added the {{LargeImage}} template to your image, as often suggested – it displays a warning. Maybe you better ask one or two more people to get a better impression if people would prefer a downscaled version. Let’s try that right now:
@Ikan Kekek and W.carter: Dear Cart, dear Ikan, could you please take a look at Terragio67’s new San Marino panorama and tell Terragio67 whether you would advise to nominate a downscaled version or this (very large!) full version? I am asking you because you belong to the most sensible and helpful people here and certainly can share a valuable vote. Thank you very much for your help! – Aristeas (talk) 16:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC) Sorry, Cart and Ikan, I now realize this was an odd idea; sorry for disturbing you. Probably it makes much more sense to ask just some panorama experts whether they would downscale such a panorama or not. --Aristeas (talk) 07:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! I was at work today and then had a St. Patrick's Day dinner with my girlfriend and her mother and watched movies, so I haven't had the chance to look at anything. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Ikan! As I see Terragio67 has nominated the photo in between, so it seems this question can be regarded as answered. Thank you again and all the best – Aristeas (talk) 10:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Aristeas and @Ikan Kekek. My question was objectively aimed at panoramas, in particular if in your opinion it is better not to exceed certain limits. In the end I thought it might be better to post a crop of the whole panorama on FPC. What better objective judgment could there be than that den of pictures experts? Terragio67 (talk) 11:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no expert, just someone with reactions and opinions! And the reason I haven't voted on your nomination is that I'm still recovering from an injury to my hands and arms and haven't felt up to viewing that large a photo on multiple screens at full size, with all the scrolling that requires. But fortunately, it has seemed like my vote hasn't been needed. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Loligo vulgaris.jpg/2 [edit]

Ah, yes. I think that actually pre-dated the ability to do the /2 technique. I programmed in the ability to do it later. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that’s an interesting hint, Adam. However I think we still can use it also for older nominations – it is useful to sort and tidy up some confusing and oddly named nomination subpages ;–). Best, --Aristeas (talk) 18:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ay. And the Assessments template handles those File:/Image: divisions awkwardly. There are way too many restrictions on com-nom in my opinion, but... Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; it would be much better if we could (if necessary) point to any nomination subpage directly with the com-nom parameter. – Of course I must also update the links so that they point (again) to the correct nomination subpage; will do that now. --Aristeas (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC) ✓ Done All links should be up to date. --Aristeas (talk) 19:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aye. It's an unnecessarily restrictie system which, because it's so long-standing, will need to be catered to in any update. It was part of a movement to standardise things which at one point resulted in Commons trying to take over the naming system at English Wikipedia FPC, renaming nominations there. Admittedly, En-Wiki nominations can be utterly full of in-jokes. And maybe a little excessive at times. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The comment I was going to add in the talk thread, plus some more thoughts that occurred to me[edit]

I sort of can't help paying attention to both sides in the response thread to the photo of Lopit men, as I'm the son of an anthropologist and a painter and I'm an anti-racist, so I take these kinds of discussions seriously and think about both the aesthetics and the historical context.

I'm also a musician and composer, and I think that some of the greatest art or certainly music of all time was Orientalist, and that being influenced by the best of that art is beautiful, even though the history is both rich and problematic. Claude Debussy, who I believe I remember reading said he wrote "Chinese melodies" (which he certainly did not literally do, and usually not even close), is one of my favorite composers, and the two-way relationship between his work and that of Maurice Ravel with African-American music is one of the touchstones of 20th-century musical creativity. Some Orientalists were more knowledgeable about Asian cultures than others - for example, Albert Roussel spent time in Ceylon and India and knew and really used rāgs (I'm referring to Indian modes, not ragtime) in some of his music - but that is not the measure of their greatness. Similarly, some composers in the European classical tradition were more knowledgeable about African-American music than others. If you haven't listened to Darius Milhaud's <<La Creation du monde>>, I recommend it, but he shamelessly stole a bunch of choros for <<Le Boeuf sur le toit>> without crediting the composers. I could go on and used to, when I taught music history/survey courses.

There is a great deal of wonderful yet problematic music, and when you go beyond the surface level and look into the meanings of structures that were used and the rhetorical models of music analysis that were standard and understood by audiences, things get even more problematic. What we now call "Sonata Form" or "Sonata-Allegro Form" today was analyzed in gendered terms, with stereotypically masculine and feminine themes being contrasted, with the differences between them resolved by making the feminine theme conform to the masculine theme. You can find such analyses through at least d'Indy in the early 20th century, who wrote in the teens and was really grossly and bluntly sexist. After I learned about this, I always felt that it was important for my students to know about this, but I did not then want to throw out almost 200 years of great music because it embodied sexism, nor do I think that current-day use of this form is still inherently sexist, because we don't think about that form that way anymore. OK, that's enough for now; I have to try to get some sleep. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Hi Ikan, interesting analysis. Such influences are by no means unheard of today either, only now we call it 'music influenced by' or 'fusion'. The big difference is that composers today acknowledge the original works and say that they are inspired by music from another culture, rather than pretend that they understand the whole culture and can interpret it.
And it works. I was totally gobsmacked when I found out that Ludwig Göransson, a Swede with Polish roots, was writing the music for the Black Panther movie, but apparently it worked, since he did treat the music and its influences the right way. Interactions and borrowing between cultures are enriching as long as they are done with respect and on equal terms.
As for the Orientalism in past centuries, I too have had similar experiences as you do. My own artist mentor, Einar Jolin, was very influenced by that movement in his paintings. Especially when it came to minimalist compositions, so naturally I carry that influence with me too. Jolin had a Japanese friend who often lived in Stockholm, and they would spend hours talking about how to mix Japanese and Scandinavian styles and color schemes in paintings.
Finally, I too want to thank you for so often being open to more than one side of a discussion, and after hearing the arguments from all sides, forming your own opinion. Hope you got a good night's rest. --Cart (talk) 12:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Cart. I feel OK so far. :-) Gotta go to work. Fascinating about the music for Black Panther. I didn't know who the composer was. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

:-)[edit]

Things have been so serious lately, so here is just a new photo by Lorie Shaull to give you a brief smile. I love that it is a bit of an "inverted sports photo" with a lot of action and interesting faces, especially the elderly woman in the center with her phone. Have a nice weekend! --Cart (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's fun! Have a good weekend, both of you! -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, Cart – that’s a nice cheering up ;–). And it’s a really interesting photo. The elderly lady with her phone is great, indeed; but I also like e.g. the 4½ people at the left … Do you happen to know whether these banana costumes have a special meaning? – I also have to thank you for the tip to look at Lorie Shaull’s photos. There are many more impressive scenes among them; I don’t want to mention all the sports photos, but she has taken great photos like the ice fishing, the Women’s March portraits, that guy taking the cross for a walk (NB that his cross has got rubber tyres ;–)) or the cross planter at Santa Monica. Very impressive and inspiring, indeed. Best, --Aristeas (talk) 10:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, she certainly has a great eye for taking good photos. Very vibrant and good subjects. I don't think the the banana costumes have any special meaning. At events like this, people sometimes like to dress up for various resons, for fun, to stand out, to be easier to find for friends and family in big crowds, etc. It's just one big happy gathering/party at these events. I can relate to many of these photos since there are so many Swedish descendants in Minnesota. You can see Swedish flags next to the American flags in several of the photos. The name of the race Loppet actually means "The Race" in Swedish (compare with VasaLoppet). I was really happy to see that she uploads her photos here on Commons too. --Cart (talk) 11:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ihr Storchennest-Foto[edit]

Sehr geehrter Herr Eisele, habe Ihr schönes Storchennestfoto für einen LinkedIn-Post eingesetzt. Hier der Link: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/mueller-energie_bnetza-nest-netzbetreiber-activity-7175751403154370560-wNUw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop Beste Grüße Christoph Müller 2A01:599:B0D:BF04:9C22:49E2:28C1:6A73 07:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sehr geehrter Herr Müller,
danke für den Hinweis! Das Storchennestfoto jedenfalls eine kreative Idee, um einen Beitrag zum Eckpunktepapier „Netze. Effizient. Sicher. Transformiert“ (kurz #NEST) zu illustrieren. Beste Grüße, Ihr
Roman Eisele / Aristeas (talk) 10:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rollback right given[edit]

I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Commons:Rollback. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. ─ Aafī (talk) 13:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, Aafī! I promise not to abuse the rollback rights. I will study the guidelines carefully. Best, --Aristeas (talk) 13:45, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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accidential deletings[edit]

I think these annotation deletings were accidential - i will revert/extend them with commons links. -- Schusch (talk) 22:30, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Schusch, thank you very much for spotting that accident and for telling me about it! I am very sorry for the damage to all the image notes.
How could that happen? For that edit I used the “Add {{information}}” link which calls the add-information tool. I know that this tool sometimes makes errors, but I was not aware that it damages image notes in such a terrible way. Obviously the tool did not (and maybe still does not) understand the image notes, regarded their text as “stray” text and hence appended it to the end of the “Description=…” field …
Anyway I should have controlled the result of using that tool better. I will certainly be much more careful when using that tool again and also warn some people which I know to use that tool about this danger.
Thank you very much for repairing and even improving the image notes! All the best, – Aristeas (talk) 08:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FP Promotion[edit]
★ This image has been promoted to Featured picture! ★

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Commons photographers: next virtual meeting on April 13, 2024[edit]

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